Harley Owners Group #1665 / Antelope Valley CA Chapter / Ridgecrest Activity Group

Motorcycle Club & Riding Club
Education Protocol Basics

Posted: 16 August 2008, 1 PM

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Hi all,

This topic came up at the Officer's meeting 1/24/07,
and I have some information to share with all.

Since we are a "riding club" and not a "motorcycle club" it is worth noting some of the
distinctions. Anyone who is wearing a patch that has the letters MC belongs
to a motorcycle club, and as such there are certain protocols we should all
be aware of, since we do share the road with the motorcycle clubs. While
there are three piece patches and one piece patches, and all kinds of
combinations you can run into, the basic distinction one needs to be aware
of are the presence of the letters MC. With that said, I'm passing on these
Protocol Basics for dealing with members of motorcycle clubs. My advice is
to read these protocol basics and adhere to them, because the possibility
exists that at some time or another, you might find yourself in a position
out on the road where this information could be invaluable to you.

ride safe, ride free

~tone-dog~

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I found this site educational for those not familiar with Protocol Basics

http://home.earthlink.net/~rcvsmc-edu/id13.html

Motorcycle Club & Riding Club Education Protocol Basics

These are some things for you, as a Riding Club member, to consider
when dealing with motorcycle clubs. They are also things to consider if
and when you are going to be around motorcycle clubs.


1. Patchholders are people too. They have good and bad days, they have
jobs, families, and normal everyday problems and concerns just like
anyone else. There are those who no matter what you say or do, it will
not be right with them. Just like with any group, you will find both
good and bad.

2. Protocol and Respect are primary rules when dealing with a
motorcycle club patchholder.

If you are FORMALLY introduced to a patchholder, make sure either the
person doing the introduction (or you) make sure they know what club
you belong to & if you are an officer, what position you hold. Under no
circumstances do you interrupt to correct a mistake while that person
is introducing you or while they are talking. Wait till the
introduction is done & politely introduce yourself correctly. i.e.....

Joe Rider, xxxxxxxxxxxx Riding Club, 1st Officer, Anytown Chapter.

Fred Spokes, Anystate Officer, xxxxxxxxxxxxx Riding Club

(Use your name - not your nickname. Nicknames may come later.)

3. Greet them as you would meet anyone else & wait until the offer is
made to shake hands. DO NOT interrupt, wait for them to recognize you.
DO NOT be offended or make a big deal if they do not offer to shake
your hand. Many times they want to get to know about you and your club
a little better before they will offer to shake your hand.

4. Never, Ever, Lie. You can refuse to answer a question in a polite
manner by saying something like, "That seems like club business, and I
would like to refer that to one of our officers in order to get better
information for you." Be prepared to answer questions about what your
club is about. Such as....

A.) "We are a riding club & not a motorcycle club and have no intention
of ever trying to become a motorcycle club".

B.) The Patch is bought & not earned.

C.) No dues or Dues - as applicable.

D.) All makes and models of motorcycle are welcomed. Or it's a brand
specific or special requirements club.

E.) We are a non-territorial club.

F.) We are a neutral club and do not wear any MC support patches.

G.) Women riders are welcomed and in many cases are club officers.

H.) We are an AMA chartered riding club.

J.) Do not offer forum links or web sites, It's better to refer them to
a club officer.

K.) Do NOT brag about how large the local or national membership is.

L.) Do not volunteer club info. If they ask a question about the local
chapter answer it if you can. If they start asking questions about the
number of members, or the National chain of organization refer them to
one of the club Officers.

5. Women in leadership positions or being a patchholder in motorcycle
clubs, while not totally unheard of, is very rare. That's just the way
it is. Most motorcycle clubs would also rather deal with a man if there
is business to conduct. Most realize what a riding club is about & will
for the most part accept a woman as an officer, and a woman officer
will most likely be allowed to attend any meeting. Whether or not they
will deal directly with a woman officer or not depends on the
individual motorcycle club/chapter. There is no set rule for this and
they will let you know if it's ok with them or not. Many motorcycle
clubs do not care to deal with the National officers. They would
prefer to deal with the local or state representatives.

6. If anyone knows a patchholder, don't let him/her throw the
patchholders' name/nickname/club's name around like you're a great
buddy of theirs (even if you are). Many clubs consider that as a major
disrespect to the whole club.

7. Watch where you are when speaking about them, and never say anything
about them in public because you never know when that woman, man, or
kid in regular clothes standing near you might be one of them, or a
"support member". Patchholders do not always wear their colors. By the
time the story gets back to the top club in your area, it will have
been changed many times over and could be blown up way out of
proportion.

8. Anything said about them between club members is club business ONLY.
If comments, even those said in a joking manner were to get out,
problems could start. Discussion outside the privacy of the chapter
can start rumors which could cause a lot of problems for not only the
chapter, but also for other chapters in and out of the state.

9. If for some reason you have to say something while in public about a
motorcycle club, take the person you're talking to aside, alone, and
say ONLY what you need to say to get your meaning across. Say as little
as possible so anyone else can't overhear it & misunderstand what
you're talking about.

10. Watch where you wear your patch (RCs don't wear colors, colors are
earned, not bought) and it's just common sense to stay in numbers when
wearing the patch. (Some motorcycle clubs can be very territorial and
some clubs don't see any difference between a RIDING CLUB and
MOTORCYCLE CLUB, good or bad.) If you are unsure of the areas or places
normally frequented by motorcycle clubs, find out from your club
Officers. If you are planning on traveling and are concerned about
what the situation may be in regard to the relationship with the local
motorcycle clubs in the areas you'll be traveling through or staying
in, talk to your local officer and ask if they can find something out
by contacting the officers in the areas you will be in.

11. "SHOW THEM RESPECT." That's A #1 with them! (and worth repeating).

12. If you already know a patchholder, or get to know one in the
future, don't just walk up to him/her and interrupt when they are with
other members. Wait till he/she acknowledges you first and NEVER touch
them or put your arm around them like a buddy. Don't put your hand out
to shake theirs; wait for them to extend their hand first. If for some
reason you're not acknowledged at all, then just keep walking. If you
need to talk to an officer of a Motorcycle Club the proper way is to go
through the Sgt at Arms or one of the patchholders.

13. You have to decide whether or not you want to show respect by going
to any of their functions or if you want to avoid all of them all
together. If you do choose to show respect and go, you can do this in a
way that may make you feel more at ease by going to one of their
"support's" functions instead of the top club's function (if they have
a support patch then you're still indirectly showing the top club
respect). But if you do go, then you also have to go to their rival
clubs' function or you'll be telling everyone that you're not a
"NEUTRAL" club as you said you were. (Example: If you go to the Club
A's function then YOU HAVE TO GO to the Club B's function, etc..) You
have to decide how you want to stay neutral, by going or not going and
you have to let all the other area chapters know if you're going too,
so they're not in the dark and we can ALL stay on top of things.

**** NOTE ***** A better way to support them and still give the
appearance of being a neutral club is to attend only "open to the
public" events that a motorcycle club may be sponsoring.

If you feel that you do want or need to go to a "limited event", then
you'll have to go representing yourself as yourself, preferably without
wearing any patches identifying your club. Remember, if you're wearing
your club patch, you are considered by everyone to be representing your
whole club. If anything were to turn sour, then your whole club could
wind up with problems down the road. Also, once the rivals of that club
you visited find out (and they will within a day or two), then those
rivals will see you as no longer being neutral & you could be
considered a rival of theirs too.

14. No CLB's (Chapter Location Bars), any territory rockers, or
anything giving the appearance of a rocker should be worn with the Riding
Club
patch. State flags, state logos may be worn in some areas and not in
others. It's best to check with the local RC officers to make sure what
is ok in your area.

15. If someone from a motorcycle club requests that you remove your
vest/patch, don't argue. The best reply is, "No Problem" & politely
take it off and let your Club Officer know what motorcycle club it was
so they can deal with any potential problems. You normally will only
get asked once.

16. If an establishment has a sign indicating "No Colors", even
though your patch is not considered "colors", the vest should be
removed out of respect to the other clubs and the policy of the
establishment. While you may just be a Riding Club, it's only
respectful to honor the house rules. Motorcycle clubs that honored the
"house rules" would probably be deeply offended that you didn't. Also
remember, many establishments choose to have this policy and it applies
to all clubs that use any kind of patch; they do not distinguish
between a MC and a RC. Be aware of the local motorcycle club hangouts
& it's best not to wear the RC patch into them without an invitation.

17. Do not wear your Patch into a motorcycle club clubhouse unless you
have asked if it's ok to do so or have been invited for a "sit down"
with the officers of the motorcycle club, or been invited As a Riding
Club Member, to attend a function there.

18. In regard to women who are with a MC club, but not in the club:
Old Lady is not a negative or derogatory term, it's just a slang term
commonly used. "Property Of" patches are their way of showing support
for their man and the club he's in.

19. A patchholder may not, and many times will not, acknowledge your
wife or girlfriend, especially upon a first meeting.

20. DO NOT touch or sit on a patchholder's bike unless invited to do
so. Do not expect the invitation.

21. A prospect can usually be identified by the back patch they are
wearing. There are many different ways motorcycle clubs identify
prospects. They can have the rockers without the main patch. They can
actually have a patch saying "PROSPECT". Some do not wear any patch,
because all the Patchholders know who the prospects are. You want to
treat a prospect or even someone you suspect is a prospect the same way
you would treat a patchholder - with respect and courtesy.

22. Have absolutely no doubt that a motorcycle club is serious and
many have been known to physically educate a person who shows
disrespect or displays a bad attitude.

23. Be aware of the behavior and attitude of the other RC members who
are with you (especially if anyone has been drinking) at events. If
necessary, try to take action to avoid problems before they happen. For
example, if someone appears to be getting too angry or loud and
possibly disrespectful, take them aside or suggest going somewhere else
until things settle down. You could also let one of the officers of the
club know about the situation. If an incident should occur in spite of
your efforts when no Officers are present, make sure to let your
officers know as soon afterward as you can. If no club officers happen
to be there, then ALL of the RC members that are there need to make the
attempt to take that person aside, and strongly suggest that the
offending RC member go somewhere else to settle down.

24. Be aware that problems created in one part of the country by a RC
member or issues with the RC in one area have the potential to affect
RC members in other areas and states.

25. The term Brother or Bro has special meaning to a Patchholder, do
not call a Patchholder Brother or Bro. Their Brothers are fellow
Patchholders and those that have earned that term.

26. Don't ever touch any part of another club member's colors, which
includes the vest or jacket it's sewn on. That is considered serious
disrespect, which could cause them to aggressively educate the
un-informed.

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